"No. Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders HLN True Crime 3.7 10.4K Ratings; Abby and Libby - 2 young girls murdered. It seems wrong somehow that it could be this narcissistic doofus. Most compelling is the tattoo of what is clearly Libbys face with two bones and a skull framing it. As a psychologist though, It does makes me stop and think about LE and the types of scenes and different tragedies etc. Delphi Murders Update April 26, 2021: You Sure There Was No Stuffed Animal Left at the Crime Scene? The Delphi Murder Tip Line was routed to the FBI's Major Case Contract Center in Washington, D.C because of the sheer number of calls they were receiving. On Feb. 13, 2017, the two friends had gone for a hike on the Delphi Historic Trails and were reported missing by their families when they did not return home that afternoon. "That is accurate," Becky Patty said. Im not sure about that. I dont even know what that means. "We now move forward through the Indiana criminal justice system allowing the system to provide its due diligence and process," Carroll County SheriffTobe Leazenbysaid at a press conference inside Delphi United Methodist Church. After. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." Begs the question, WTF were they up to? This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. You have a million people who come out and say OMG THERES JUST NO WAY A BIG STUFFED BEAR WAS LEFT AT THE CRIME SCENE ABSOLUTELY NOT. But even if LE told the searchers not to tell people what they saw that day, Im sure they can at least say whether or not something for sure wasnt there. Arrest made in Delphi case:Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. Lilly caps cost of insulin at $35 a month, bringing relief for Hoosiers, Paramount Englewood exceeding diversity, academic norms, Marion County Traffic Court closing in May, IMPD releases bodycam footage of January shooting involving 3 officers. I certainly wasnt there so I cant vouch one way or another. Please correct me if you know otherwise. Were not doing that anymore. I dont know about the rest of you, but I am looking at that damned bear or dog or whatever it is and I am thinking, Thats a stuffed animal. If any of you all think thats not a stuffed animal and its really something else, speak up now or forever hold your tongue. If these claims of the crime scene condition and signatures left behind by the killer are false, then I have to wonder what on earth the police found so bizarre. I appreciate your work. I could be wrong but I did read that. Scarf around neck. The two SPMs discussed above have both told us that LE told them not to tell anyone what they had seen at the crime scene. We share similar philosophies. To this day they haven't been found. Investigators were seeking a judges permission to search the propertyof Ronald Logan, who owned the land where the two girls were found dead. The two best friends went missing while on a hike through the historic trails Delphi, Ind. I can see it from a teenager or maybe a n emotionally stunted 20+ guy, but this is a middle aged man! The chatter rose again after Allen sat down between his attorneys. A man being eyed in the unsolved 2017 murders of two teens in Delphi, Indiana, has an "evil streak" and is "absolutely capable" of committing that type of crime, his brother said. Im not sure if the reason for this is because the search parties just mentally glossed over that particular location for more remote spots or because theres something geographically strategic about that particular area that makes it less detectable. This is apparently all correct! . But our understanding is she never showed up, and there was no spare set in the first place, so she had nothing to bring him! And you guys have not given up on us. How was it organized? The time will come when additional details can be released, but again today is not that day, Indiana State Police Superintendent Douglas Carter said. Im not sure how they phrased it of they told, ordered or threatened them to not reveal what they saw. ", Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. If I go with the assumption that it might have been a group of searchers that didn't include members of LE, I can't imagine being a member of the community and volunteering to help to search for anyone and then finding the person or persons deceased in probably what was an obvious sign of a homicide(s), especially as someone such as myself who has no LE experience (or medical experience, etc.) The killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in February 2017 have . Abby Williams and Liberty German went missing while walking on The Monon High Bridge Trail on Feb 13, 2017. they were found murdered the next day, victims of an unsolved double homicide. And most of what we have reported is based on solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. Just forget it. 4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Why not donate to the best Delphi sleuthing team of all by donating to me, leader of a group of 230+ sleuthers who have been working on the case for four years now? 00:14:20 - In this episode, the Murder Sheet provides several quick updates on the Delphi murders and the related investigation into the "anthony_shots" profil I doubt hes seen that classic film, but girls as flowers is common imagery. Ronald Logan died Jan. 24, 2022. Delphi Murders Delphi Murders Timeline: Disappearance, Years-Long Manhunt and the Possible Break Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the afternoon of Feb. 13, 2017. Carroll County judge recuses himself in Delphi murders. Im almost 100% the Flora case is connected to the Delphi case. He himself is then arrested for trying to rape/kill a nine year old. DELPHI, Ind. 28th was the day.. The superintendent reminded those attending and listening remotely to the press conference to continue sending any information related to the case about Allen or any other individual to the tip line set up years ago: Call 1-844-459-5786; or email [email protected]. As we all know, LE has kept info about the crime scene and the girls' COD, etc., strictly "close to the vest"). -- There may be a potential break in the unsolved murders of two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana. And that he also told us that they suspect Mr. X in Evansdale too, right? Yes it is very important that there is a Tyson plant nearby in both of the crimes. That should at least tell us something. Thank you. Its nice to have a serious conversation without people chiming in with what if BG is a woman? (one thing I actually read this week) and other absurd speculation. He was seated right smack in the middle of the room. "Today is not a day to celebrate," Superintendent of the Indiana State Police Doug Carter said. wishtv.com your home page, Business, Equity and Opportunities Podcast with Scott Sander, Myles Colvin captivates Heritage Christian crowds, preps for Purdue, Indiana wildlife expert on bald eagle killing: Its sad, IMPD policy on seized guns called into question, Indiana governor grants clemency to prisoner with inoperable brain tumor, 2 tornadoes confirmed in northern Hancock County. Or Libby was going to tell all and bring many people down from previous insurance/appraisal scams? Why else do you think Carter would have said those things? The two girls had gone for a walk on an old railroad bridge along Monon High Bridge trail near Delphi, Indiana, on February 13, 2017, when they were murdered. "It's obviously significant in some way; I can only just hope that it's for the girls, but we don't know. ISP's tip line related to the case will remain open so the public can share information about the suspect or others possibly involved in the case. According to court papers, Kline was temporarily moved from the custody of his local authorities and into the hands of ISP, the lead investigators in the Delphi murders, at around the same time the river search began. If you have any information on the Delphi murders, contact law enforcement at 1-800-225-5324 or [email protected]. Carrie added that everything she knows about it, she learned on Facebook. Before Tuesday's hearing, prosecutors filed a motion for what amounts to a gag order, asking the court to bar statements or comments outside of the courtroom from all involved attorneys, law enforcement officials, court personnel, the coroner and family members. is that that damned stuffed animal is as tall as Abby. McLeland said the public and media interest in the case rekindled after Allen's arrest, and Allen's wife had to flee the community. Mr. X was on the same team BUT was on the other side of the creek at the time, same for Erskin. Kline is in jail awaiting trial on 30 charges related to child pornography, but he has not been charged in the Delphi murders. To me, he seems very stupid and immature, and I guess I want to believe the BG is some highly intelligent criminal mastermind to do something so awful and then evade capture for so long. A number of those slaughterhouses around there are indeed operated by Orthodox Jews. The only exceptions are murder and treason. Speaking to The U.S. Sun last month, Libby's mom, Carrie German, said that should the search along the Wabash be related to her daughter's murder, she hopes Kline isn't leading cops on a "wild goose chase.". The latter seems to make most sense, but leaves the question to why the CSI guy lied to everyone, including his colleagues. Basically nobody in town except a few people who dont like him thinks he did it. omygosh what a shame! Watch on. As the search for Abby Williams and Libby German ends at a crime scene, the reality of what's happened is worse than anyone could have imagined. Will the public interest be substantially served by limiting access?" How many individuals were involved in the initial search? What does he mean that they think they have Game but they dont. To say that all of the details intertwined with so many different people and relationships is complex would be an understatement. Keeping the documents secret only heightens the public's curiosity about the case, Rozzi said. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. Of course he knew who they were. Pictures 1, 2, 3, and 5 show the area during and after the search. The pre-hearing courtroom chatter grew quiet as deputies led Allen into the courtroom from a back door. He is a middle-aged man who has thick hair and a baby face and dresses like a teenager. The probable cause affidavit and charging information were sealed by court order, McLeland said, to protect the ongoing investigation. The search along the Wabash began around August 19, when investigators were seen combing through the shallow waters with metal detectors and scuba gear. Suspicious as Hell if you ask me. 'Today is the day': Update to Delphi murders of Libby and Abby announced by ISP, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. I suspect he was breeding pitbulls for dogfighting. Would that indicate they (Abby and Libby) were put there after the search was called off? I am very curious to know what you think people are getting wrong as to Chadwells behavior and videos (both are which are undeniably creepy). Delphi was revenge for Flora. This is especially important with the heinous murders of Abby and Libby. The document was written by an FBI agent and describes what investigators found when they discovered the bodies of Abby and Libby on Feb. 14, 2017. Citizens? He has the whole town on his friends list. But does that mean that they are kosher slaughterhouses? It looks like a stuffed holiday (Christmas) Tweety bird to me. Theyre seeing whatever they want to see in him. Yes, thats one thing I am not sure about. Greenos videos are almost completely worthless, and group members who have spoken to him told me he has nothing new to add to the case. Otherwise I think there is some hammer that comes down and hits the pig in the head. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended. ( as I said, I took this as I would a rumor-type of info and the only thing I've ever read about the crime scene. "Its somewhat bittersweet," Mike Patty, grandfather of Libby, told reporters Monday gathered at the DelphiUnited Methodist Church, "knowing it allows us to move to the next turn, the next chapter. The transcript shows that he also failed a polygraph test about his knowledge of the Delphi case, after which he returned home and deleted his Snapchat and Instagram accounts. Small beak. The motion to seal was improper because it lacked verification a sworn oath under penalty of perjury, Rozzi said. The tattoo has already been debunked. "I literally have no clue how that girl died; I don't know anything, anything to do with it," he told cops. This is one reason I dont think JBC is BG. Prosecutors fueled speculation during Tuesday's hearing that Richard Allen was not alone when they allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams in early 2017. He is a welder and the hat the BG is wearing looks like a welders cap. A massive law enforcement presence arrives, and a double murder investigation begins . Yeah thats not our information. I dont see anyone refuting these claims besides the people on the internet who werent there and want to believe every single last syllable LE says. Since then, police have formed a task force for the case, interviewed suspects and followed tips, eventually leading to Allen's arrest. The 38-year-old was arrested in September 2015 on a warrant for operating a vehicle while intoxicated and driving while intoxicated with a controlled substance. At this point, this rumor seems like its proven at least to my satisfaction. - Stunning new documents describe the scene where two young girls were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, five years ago. Il Funerale di Saddam, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. So if the search started technically in the dark on the 13th, the actual time they had when they could really see anything was from 9 AM to 12 PM on the 14th. Ive heard that when a killer feels something for his victim, hes more likely to care for the body, for example, wrap it in a blanket to protect it from the elements, etc. The inevitable questions arise. Its from a Youtube video of some guy who edited the publicly available helicopter footage. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Those with pertinent information can email, [email protected] or call 765-822-3535. How could these LE men stomach watching Mr X strut around town, attending press conferences, etc? Wouldnt LE and Fire officials have kept a list of folks who participated in the search? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Makes me wonder if LE did look at him at one point. I dont think he does. I read somewhere an account by a search party member from the night before, that one of the search party organizers prevented his group from searching the actual crime scene by saying you all cant go here, its been searched already. Was it one person who discovered the girls? Yeah, I can do a post, but in the post Im going to say hes not it because hes not BG. Our group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far. But werent the FBI involved from the start? We have no idea. The people paying Hughes and Greeno clearly feel that they are getting their moneys worth. /u/LyonPirkey, thanks for the article. Contact her at [email protected] or follow her on Twitter at @Rachel_Fradette. I would like to know when BP appraised that house and when the fire happened, 2 days 5 days, 2 weeks etc.? The motion cites the extensive media coverage as reasons for the proposed gag order. ", The detective said: "Then why'd you search?". They had embarked on an afternoon hike the day before their discovery. Ronald Logan died Jan. 24, 2022. oh so he died recently? A RELATIVE of a suspect in the Delphi murders was taken into custody earlier this month as investigators concluded a weeks-long search in a local river potentially linked to the unsolved case. Theres nothing pathological about oversharing. Trexler was held in custody for a week in place of a $1,200 bond. Libby's grandmother, Becky Patty, told reporters that Allen had processed photos of the girls at a local drug store and did not charge the family for the cost. Its like he wants these two tween girls on the cusp of womanhood to remain forever children and sexually innocent and so leaves them surrounded by a childs toys, both as a kind of apology to them, as well as way to announce to the world that he has effectively preserved them as children forever. Theres one reason I think we can all think of, best left unmentioned, and another, that they were out in the nowhere, possibly hunting but far away from the crime scene. We will refer to this new informant as SPM2 for Search Party Member 2. Also who said this crime was over quickly? I mean, surely folks would know if a well-known, local who became a POI was in on the search? Unlike any other sleuthers, we have actually determined the main suspect in the case, and we have a pretty good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like. "I don't want to put too much stock into it until I hear something from law enforcement," she added. Cookie Notice You dont think there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? That bear appears to be a Valentines stuffed animal! An attorney for Kline declined to comment on the announcement. It also hints at the idea that they were meeting someone there, a gift for a date. The main suspect and the CSI guy. Exactly. I dont agree that any of these people are grifters as everyone says. They may have if they'd known the girls had been killed, but remember that until they found the bodies the worst they were prepared for was finding the girls badly injured or dead from exposure. Maybe BG felt he would be able to identify him since he had Crime Scene experience and had him done away with. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland said the probable cause affidavit and charging information are sealed by the court. The suspect was not someone the families knew, Mike Patty said. They force his wife to abandon their house.. According to Leigh Kerr, the BG took locks of hair from the victims. True crime podcasters investigating the brutal 2017 murders of two young girls in Delphi, Indiana, say they spotted law enforcement conducting a search of waters close to where their bodies were . Its sad. The public has an absolute right to the information, but at what cost? McLeland said. It is not a a palette knife, I know that much. He said hes hiding in plain sight," Patty said. Kline, 27, has never been named publicly as a suspect in the Delphi murders, but he's alleged to have been in contact with Libby, 14, the night before she was killed, police documents show. DELPHI, Ind. Hes just an ordinary AFC. "I dont feel like I thought I would. 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